In this episode I am joined by Ann Wendel, PT, ATC, CMTPT; Mike Hopper, MS, ATC; and Mike Ryan, PT, ATC. We discuss the educational background and qualifications needed to become a certified athletic trainer. It is much more than most people think! We discuss the relationship between the physical therapist and the athletic trainer in a variety of different clinical settings. Should the athletic trainer be utilized as a PT extender in other settings outside of the training room? Should the PT be able to bill for services rendered by an ATC? We explore these questions in depth in this interview. You will also learn the most important aspect of maintaining a healthy working relationship in every setting from the NFL training room to the clinic to the high school training room. This was an eye opening discussion that will hopefully start an open conversation between PTs and ATCs. We would love to hear from you! Please share your comments with us on Twitter: @karenlitzyNYC, @pranaPT, @RyanSportsMed, @mnhopper1s.